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tends to be a foundational issue, this is the whole ballgame. i guess it is important for people to recognize what is happening. one more quick thing on barron. you know that this guy was in the courtroom trying to extort his kid for some of the points because he loves to traffic in victimhood, so he thought about anyways he could do that. he was complaining about how chilly the courtroom was. how he could not talk to anybody because of the gag order, which was a misrepresentation of the gag order. by pointing out barron's graduation i think he wrongly assumed the judge would not allow him to do that, so the kind of poetic irony is now donald trump is that going to this graduation or if he doesn't he will look like a total hypocrite, a total liar, which i understand may not be a big deal for someone like donald trump. >> and now he is leaving to go to a fundraiser in minnesota. another weekend trump news. thank you, my friend.
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brian tyler cohen, thank you for your time and insight into these important matters. that is our show this evening. now it is time for the last word with ali velshi in for lawrence. >> i love to listen and what you did last on the show and offer you very legitimate and sincere comments on however the discussion went. >> we didn't have time tonight. >> i also wouldn't be able to do that if i was the last guest on the show, so i appreciate the strategic spacing. alex, have a great weekend and see you next week. >> have a good show. the third week of donald trump's historic criminal trial has come to a close, setting the stage for what could be the end of the prosecution case next week, but not before another high-profile witness, former trump fixer michael cohen. we saw dramatic testimony from adult film star stormy daniels who would not be intimidated by donald trump's lawyers out of telling her account of the alleged sexual encounter with
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donald trump and the subsequent scheme to buy her silence. today's testimony did not include star witnesses, but it was important in setting the stage for next week. nbc news reports that the trump lawyer turned enemy michael cohen will take the stand on monday. cohen was the fixer of the $130,000 hush money payment to stormy daniels before the presidential election of 2016. we began the trial today with continued testimony from madeleine westerhout, trump's former director of oval office operations. she remains loyal to trump despite being fired in 2019 after she reportedly told reporters she did not want to be photographed with trump's daughter tiffany because of her weight. she used her testimony to paint donald trump is a hard-working family man. a picture that was unrecognizable to pretty much anyone else who has ever heard
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of donald trump. donald trump's lawyer, susan necheles, sought to establish that trump's concern about the story had to do with his family, but it backfired. westerhout agreed that trump was concerned that the story would upset his family, but said he never told her that. i don't believe he specifically said that, but i could just tell that the whole situation was very unpleasant. the prosecution objected to the second part of her answer, which was stricken from the record. donald trump has sat largely alone in court without most of his family members for 15 days. eric trump has made appearances, but no one else from the family has set in court with trump at any point in this trial so far, including his wife to whom he was married when prosecutors say he slept with stormy daniels and a decade later when he paid her off to save his campaign. after testimony today, prosecutors spent the rest of the day calling a series of custodial witnesses to introduce records into evidence that have direct ties to
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michael cohen. before the trial began prosecutors alleged that cohen spoke to trump on the phone on october 26, 2016, shortly before opening up a bank account for his shell company, essential consultants llc, which seems to have been invented to funnel money to stormy daniels' then attorney, keith davidson. call logs presented to the jury show donald trump and michael cohen had to phone calls on the morning of october 26, 2016, hours before this bank account was created. prosecutors also got to the actual charges at hand. 34 felony counts for falsifying records and for the first time the district attorney's office put each of the false records on display. 11 invoices, 11 vouchers and 12 checks all relating to the reimbursement of michael cohen. michael cohen is the key
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witness in donald trump's criminal trial. michael cohen did all of trump's dirty work before becoming his enemy, but the testimony is problematic for the prosecution because by his own admission michael cohen has lied in court and lied to the media and has pleaded guilty to lying to congress. but the paper trail is not lying and the prosecution already put forward phone records, bank statements and email exchanges to support michael cohen's story about how and why he paid $130,000 to stormy daniels. >> mr. trump is a con man. he asked me to pay off an adult film star with whom he had an affair and to lie about it to his wife, which i did. mr. trump directed me to use my own personal funds from a home- equity line of credit to avoid any money being traced back to him. that could negatively impact his campaign.
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>> at the end of the court proceedings trump's attorney todd blanche asked the judge to impose a gag order on michael cohen. judge merchan denied the request but pulled prosecutors to communicate that the judges asking him to refrain from making any more statements about this case, about mr. trump or about anything related to this case or the process. that comes from the bench. leading off our discussion tonight, adam klasfeld, who has been in the courtroom today and will be there every day for us at the trump trial. and katie fang, attorney and host of the katie fang show saturdays on msnbc. if you like what she has to say she will be back at 11:00 p.m. eastern tonight. thank you for being here. kitty, let me start with you as the prosecution gets closer to wrapping up its case, what is it looking like?
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>> it's looking like they got across the finish line, number one, a lot more quickly than we thought. recall at the beginning we thought this trial would last six weeks or more so if you are sitting in that jury, you are happy to hear, well, they didn't hear, but you will be happy to hear when they say the state rests its case. why is that important? next week is only three days of court, monday, tuesday, and thursday. reportedly friday for barron trump's graduation, but that is another story. if that is the case and you start with david pecker and end with michael cohen then you are adhering to a tried and true philosophy of pregnancy, recency, -- of primacy and recency. with michael cohen we know we have to take him warts and all, but he has testified in a way that has been corroborated by, as you say, the paper trail that doesn't lie. the prosecution promised in its opening a very clean, tight
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chronology supported by the evidence and what we have seen is the evidence that proves the case. >> a clean, tight chronology that follows the evidence, adam. that is important in any trial, but as it relates to michael cohen, here is the difficulty. he has been shown to have perjured himself. he has written books about a day and the point here is that because he has lied in the past does not necessarily mean he is lying. >> absolutely and one thing said a lot about testimony and michael cohen in this case. people of pointed out that folks have denigrated michael cohen. that understates it. michael cohen has been roasted for this moment and i would suggest that is not an accident. let's review the testimony of hope hicks. when asked if it would be out of character for michael cohen to do a favor, to pay the money on trump's behalf, that would be out of character because i
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don't know michael to be a charitable or selfless person. he is the kind of person that seeks credit and one thing that has to be said about this line of testimony, it turns one of michael cohen's vulnerabilities into an asset. you have to trust this guy because he is totally selfish and he would never do this on trump's behalf out of the goodness of his heart. another quote that was said during the testimony of keith davidson. gina called me up to tell me some jerk called me and was very, very aggressive and threatened to sue me and i would like to tell you to call this jerk back. the prosecutor said i hate to ask it this way, but who is that jerk? michael cohen. now i believe the prosecutor did not hate to ask it that way. it is a way to say yes, michael cohen has vulnerabilities, but it is these very
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vulnerabilities that shows you can trust him, along with the wealth of corroborating evidence. the phone records you showed and in addition to that there was another custodial witness showing trump's tweed, that this was the arrangement. one more thing that i want to quickly make a point of. at the beginning of the trial todd blanche made a strong bet in saying that the $420,000 were not reimbursements. we have a third piece of evidence, a third admission from trump's saying in the tweet that it was a reimbursement and he said that twice before in records that got into evidence. >> katie phang, michael cohen is crucial to this case and the prosecution maintaining michael cohen's integrity as a witness is crucial, for all the reasons we discussed. but the big star of the last week was stormy daniels. i am looking to get your
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evaluation of how she performed. >> well, stormy daniels went in i think with a lot of people in america making big assumptions and judgments about who she is because of the professional choices, right? listen, if that is what you think, that is what you think, but in the court of law when you have a person who takes an oath to tell the truth and is in the witness stand, that oath is the same for every person regardless of what you choose as a job. i think what backfired for the defense was you thought maybe using a female lawyer like susan necheles would take the edge off. i've done it in my career as a trial lawyer. i've been the one who had to cross-examine a female witness, but in this instance it backfired. shaming stormy daniels was a huge mistake. why? it just further buttressed the idea that that is why donald trump wanted to hide it from america. it was interesting because to adams point, sometimes you take a weakness and pivot it.
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in the instance that there was this insinuation or outright suggestion by the defense that there was something wrong or flawed with stormy daniels because of what she does for a living, then of course that would be the reason somebody like donald trump would want to hide that. so it would not hurt his campaign. whether you like them or not, whether you think they are flawed or not, they create those bridges necessary for the prosecution to link things to make the story makes sense. when both sides got up and they talked about bonuses made, you can make sure that the jury paid attention to the prosecution and defense. when you get to closing at both sites get to make arguments, the prosecution will leave it altogether and it will make more sense for the prosecution than the defense. >> the similarity is the degree to which the defense would like to undermine because of the character or past acts or because of what stormy daniels
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does for a living. she seems remarkably at ease. whether you believe her or not or what you think about her, the demeanor in court seemed to support her credibility. >> absolutely. she was cool and confident. when she started testimony one of the interesting things in the past, when she started her testimony she was a little bit nervous. she had to be told to slow down during the prosecutor's direct examination. when it came to the fight time, when susan necheles got out there, that is when she was cool, confident, in her element. you can see her sliding back in her seat, quit after quit and very witty. i think if she got the experience, got the cool collected miss from experience, lookout for that with michael cohen, because he has been to this rodeo before. we talked before when he
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testified, so this is his second turn at it. >> he also shows up on our shows very often and will always fess up to what he has done. he has become very comfortable with that idea. no one is going to surprise michael cohen with you did this, you lied to congress. he knows what he did and is comfortable talking about it. >> and you know what? look, for someone like michael cohen this is truly the end of it. there may be other issues that come up for him later on, but this is what he has been waiting for. this is what all of that testimony has been four. everything he has done to make sure he has done his redemption tour. this is what it is for, but it does not mean the entire case rests on michael cohen. that is a huge fallacy that the defense will go into thinking as well as a lot of people in the american public. but the prosecution does not rely on michael cohen. it is not the linchpin for that
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case, because there is so much more independent, objective, corroborating evidence that has nothing to do with michael cohen. innocuous witnesses like custodians of records you heard from today. cell phone and banking records. can you not get out of your mind the essential consultants llc bank statement with allen weisselberg's writing on it? i take it out unless you are doing it for trump? >> these documents, we've printed them out. they are actually documents. there is nothing i could trial with actual financial documents to help you understand the story. i am so much smarter as i always am from our conversations. adam klasfeld and katie phang. katie is back with more when she hosts the 11th hour. we will see you then. all this week defendant trump attacked the criminal justice system of the nation he hopes to lead once again. his lies continue to be a threat to democracy. we will discuss that and much more with yale history
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yesterday was the latest opportunity for the supreme court to issue its decision on whether donald trump is immune from prosecution for crimes he is accused of committing while president, including attempting to overturn a democratic election. it is an idea antithetical to the american ethos that no one, not even the president of the united states, is above the
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law. yet some of the conservative justices on the supreme court seemed open to this very idea. every day that the supreme court fails to reject this absurd argument is helping donald trump get the immunity he desperately wants, because it delays the effort to hold him accountable, possibly fatally. every day the supreme court fails to issue a decision denies voters the right to hear the evidence against donald trump. whether for trying to steal the 2020 election, culminating with the january 6 election and obstructing government efforts. we have in this country 178 days until the election. it is not hair on fire speculation about what donald trump might do if elected. what we have is an 887 page roadmap, literally called project 2025, detailing the
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exact plan to transfer an astonishing amount of power to the president of the united states if donald trump is reelected. as the new york times opinion writer writes, it portrays the president as the personal embodiment of popular will. it treats the law as an impediment to conservative governance. it elevates the role of religious beliefs and government affairs and regards the powers of congress and the judiciary with dismissiveness, end quote. 2025, project 2025 is a vision for the second trump term that would be an insult to our founding fathers. if you want an example, there is russia. it has been providing vivid examples of that all week. vladimir putin was sworn into a fifth term as russia's president on tuesday after winning in, i don't know, i guess you can call it an election that was neither free
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nor fair. a result of the crackdown on dissent which includes jailing and exiling opponents, a remarkable number of whom end up dead from plane crashes or falling out of open windows or unknown causes. russia's invasion of ukraine intensified vladimir putin's crackdown on dissent, barring any criticism about his war and arresting protesters. vladimir putin used russia's victory day celebration, commemorating the defeat of germany in world war ii, to create the illusion that the war on ukraine is similarly just and that its army is invincible. our next guest, timothy snyder, argues that russia cannot only lose this war, but must lose this war for the sake of democracy. a defeated russia, he writes, is russia's one chance to become a post-imperial country, one where reform is possible. one where russians themselves might be protected by law and able to cast meaningful votes. defeat in ukraine is russia's
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historical chance for normality. as russians who want democracy and the rule of law will say, end quote. vladimir putin has never been held accountable because there are no checks on his power. he has managed to suppress dissent rigging elections, jailing enemies, silencing opposition. appointing cronies to do his bidding. using the government to act with impunity. that is vladimir putin's russia and that is exactly what donald trump wants is america to be. donald trump wants that kind of unfettered power that vladimir putin has and he is shockingly within reach of it. joining us now is timothy snyder, professor of history at yale university. the author of the road to un- freedom. he understands what i have been talking about very well. i have to ask, professor, to start with, how close, how
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dangerous is it for america that we can start to go down that road as things like project 2025 outline ways in which the elected president of the united states can gain more and more and more power? >> i think there are three reasons we are in danger. the first is that democracies are always vulnerable and if you are not striving hard to keep them there is a real risk you'll lose them. the second is that americans tend to think we are exceptional, so we can't learn lessons from other peoples and their failures and the thing they have passed through. the third is that we are also a little bit naive. we have the idea that we could vote someone like trump in and if we don't like him we could protest or vote him out and fundamentally that's a mistake. voting for trump's voting not to vote again. voting for trump is voting away your own voice. once you go down that road there is no turning back. >> tim, you are very kind to review my book in which i made this point that you underscored.
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democracies are always vulnerable and that is not a pessimistic view of democracy. it is simply a fact that democracy is not a thing that once it gets invented you are good for the rest of time. >> it is not something god gives your nature gives you. it's not something your past gives you. there is no piece of paper that lives on its own. you have to incorporate those ideals and live them creatively about what they mean. it is not a pessimistic idea, it is an optimistic idea. democracy says people could rule themselves. people can rule themselves, they just have to want to. the moment you think someone else will take care of it or an institution will take care of it or god forbid one individual will take care of it for you, then you are giving up. >> there was a discussion about donald trump pulling back on his ground game, telling his people to concentrate on the cheating. this is interesting. i thought of you immediately, because there is not
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substantial cheating in america. our voting systems are pretty robust when it comes to that, but donald trump needs to say that. he is saying let's talk about the cheating, because if you convince enough people that there is cheating, even if he wins by as much of a margin, loses by as much of a margin as he did in the last election, it is now his new language of sowing doubt about the electoral system in our democracy. >> it is an element of a plan to come to power in a semi- electoral fashion. in 2016 he did not expect to win. in 2020 he was pretty sure he was not going to win and started preparing the ground for some type of coup attempt in the summer of 2020, which is why it was easy to predict he did the thing he tried to do. this time around i don't think he is trying to win in the normal sense.
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i don't think he thinks he can win, but what he can do is get some votes and use that as the basis for some other way of trying to get to power. that is what he means when he talks about cheating. he's trying to say, look, some people support me and the rest was cheating and therefore it is okay if we try violence or whatever else it is. >> one more thing that is important to think about is these days with autocracy spreading and dictators popping up around the world, especially dictators who say things along the lines of i alone can fix it. people give up their power. people give up democracy. most autocracies are not born of revolution these days, they are born of people slowly or quickly handing more power to the government. >> and they are born of people not having access to or taking seriously the reporting around them. they are born of people trapped in social media cycles. people confusing the voice of a wannabe autocrat or oligarch for the reality around them.
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at the end of the day it does depend on what people do. if we treat our own election as a joke, it will become a joke. >> tim, because you are optimistic about this, i know this. you believe we have not lost this in america. we have not lost the opportunity to do what you say, reclaim and strengthen our democracy. it just takes being involved and making sure that you are not a hero for voting in this election, but you are a hero if you go that much further and try to repair some of the things that have been undone in the past few years. >> i think it is very important to say that democracy is a good thing. it is not automatic, but it is good. it is a better way to live. it is also a good thing to say not only that you can vote, but you can phone bank, you can knock on doors. you can make donations. you can be active between now and november. you will feel better, you will make a difference and in the end
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it can turn out well. >> good to see you as always. yale history professor timothy snyder, author of important books about democracy that would make good reads and mothers day gifts. coming up, how dysfunctional are republicans on the hill? in one week marjorie taylor greene was booed by her own party as speaker johnson is talking about election integrity while ignoring the biggest threat to election integrity himself, the presumptive nominee for president. texas democratic representative jasmine crockett joins me after the break.
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tonight, a new, highly anticipated state department report states outright that israel may have broken international law and gaza. the report to congress says it is reasonable to assess the u.s. supplied weapons have been used by israeli security forces since october 7 in instances inconsistent with international humanitarian law. quote, while israel has the knowledge, experience, and tools to implement best practices for mitigating civilian harmon its military operations, the results on the ground, including high levels of civilian casualties, raise substantial questions as to whether the idf is using them effectively in all cases. the report says the state department believes the assurances provided by israel, quote, to be credible and reliable, so as to allow the
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provision of u.s. weapons to israel to continue. the release of the report comes after president biden confirmed on wednesday that civilians have been killed in rafah as a consequence of u.s.-made bombs. biden warned israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu that the united states would pause more arms shipments if israel launches a full-scale invasion in rafah. >> i made it clear that if they go into rafah, they haven't gone into rafah yet. if they go into rafah, i'm not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with the cities, to deal with that problem. >> in response with that prime minister netanyahu says israel is ready to act without u.s. assistance. >> [ speaking in a global language ] >> this marks a major shift in
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the biden administration policy with israel. also today in a symbolic move the united nations overwhelmingly voted to adopt a resolution in support of palestinian statehood. the united states was one of nine nations to vote against the measure. the united states ambassador to the united nations has also been removed as a commencement speaker at xavier university's graduation tomorrow in louisiana in light of the student outcry against the biden administration policy on gaza. the university of vermont also withdrew its invitation for greenfield to speak earlier this week. joining us now is a pulitzer prize-winning journalist and best-selling author. he is a new york times columnist. he has a new book, chasing hope, which comes out in tuesday, but i held it in my hand on monday in los angeles when we were in the same place.
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congratulations. i want to ask you about this. you have followed this closely. the complex and long-term relationship not just between america and israel, but the complex relationship of joe biden and israel. he is a remarkable supporter of israel. he dislikes benjamin netanyahu, as many people do. it seems like he is talking a tougher line than he has taken since the beginning of this war. >> that's right, he is. the state department ruling today, the assessment on national security memorandum 20, this report that israel may have broken some international and humanitarian law, but not enough. i think that that fundamentally, it did not seem to me like a serious report, but i think it was expected and i think what is probably more important is president biden has, as you suggest, done two things. he has slowed the shipments of
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bombs to israel as a way of sending a signal that we have leverage and we will apply it. second he has said that if israel does mount an all-out invasion of rafah, then indeed the u.s. will not supply weapons that are used on civilians there. i think both of those are really important steps. i have been calling on him for months to apply that kind of leverage and i am delighted that now that is happening. there is no criticism that he is being too tough on israel. it seems to me that it is in our humanitarian interest and security interest to try to get that message through to israel to show more restraint. >> the nuance in the message and a nuance that is actually part of american policy, does not go over as well in the middle east as it does here, the pursuit of a two state
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solution and discussions around that. the way in which biden can deflect criticism that he is being too tough on israel is if something that looks like long- term and sustainable peace between these people can come out of this. there is no hope you and i have that that is imminent or the result of a cease-fire deal, but it is the thing that could turn this around. out of all of this horribleness, some peace comes to that region. >> that's right. it's not impossible and it is the biden administration goal that there will be a cease-fire extended to become a semipermanent one and that is used for a three-way deal between israel, saudi arabia and the u.s. each get something that it once and part of that is a two state solution and that leads the saudi's to be willing to put it -- put a
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peacekeeping force in gaza and provide a future. i think that is possible. it would be a really big deal if it happened. i think it is also unlikely and even if it were announced it would be very likely to fall off the rails down the road. there really is no plan b as far as i see it. >> that is the problem and kind of interesting, because this week when we were together in l.a. we looked very close and it looked like something was happening that was a deal and it turned out that was not the case. part of the problem and part of why you are sometimes more pessimistic than optimistic about this, because the parties involved in having to make a deal on the israeli side and hamas side are not incentivized to make a deal. the kind of both know that their days are numbered, the day after the hostage release and a cease-fire. >> that's right. look, hamas does not want this kind of deal and hamas does see keeping those hostages as part
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of the safety package. tragically. and likewise i think netanyahu understands that once the war ends he is likely to leave office. but i am going to say, it is more than that. you know, we tend to focus on that and yahoo, but there are a lot of israelis who really want to absolutely try to eradicate hamas. you know, from the area. and i think biden feels, and i think he is right, that that is not a path to israeli security. they tried to eradicate hamas. they thought they would do it in gaza city. now they say they will do it in rafah, but i think there is reason to be skeptical that there really is a military path and that it will resolve it. >> good to see you, as always. thank you for joining us. nicholas kristof is a
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do you think marjorie taylor greene should be punished? >> one dumpster fire at a time. >> one dumpster fire at a time. that was south dakota's republican congressman, dusty johnson, moments before
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democrats extinguished the latest congressional dumpster fire, the one satellite by house republicans because in the republican party doing your job properly can actually cost you your job. after speaker johnson worked with democrats to push their way critical, $61 billion aid package for ukraine, the chaos caucus leader marjorie taylor greene tried this week to have the speaker removed. after getting booed by her own party, the georgia republicans attempt went down in flames when democrats voted overwhelmingly to save speaker mike johnson again. here is the democratic leader, hakeem jeffries, explaining why. >> our decision to stop marjorie taylor greene from plunging the house of representatives and the country into further chaos is rooted in our commitment to solve problems for everyday americans in a bipartisan manner.
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the >> while donald trump may in his words, quote, absolutely love marjorie taylor greene, and quote, the atlanta journal- constitution spoke to constituents who seemed less than thrilled to be represented by someone more interested in political stunts then governing. charlie a 43-year-old engineer said he is tired of shutdowns. the things she is involved in is more about getting attention for herself. i've never heard her sponsor a bill that helped our state, just always fighting and trying to make headlines. he considers himself a conservative republican and said he would rather see a democrat elected to the seat than green. other voters in the district were more blunt. quote, she is literally the worst person in the world, and quote. joining us now is the democratic representative, congresswoman jasmine crockett of texas. she is a member of the house
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oversight committee, a civil rights attorney and a slip of the tongue because you and i met when you were a state representative, fighting these fights. mike johnson, that's got to be a hard vote. i know there were democrats who could not bring themselves to do it, but it is hard because you want to save america from the constant chaos, the dumpster fire, the junkyard that the republican party in congress is. on the other hand mike johnson would not be your first, second, third or fifth choice for speaker of the house. >> absolutely not and you are taking me back to another dysfunctional house, the texas house. you know, here's the deal. i appreciate the comments of those in marjorie's district. e >> it is interesting because no one ever thought mike johnson would be the speaker that he is.
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i do not care for mike johnson nor his politics. in fact, he just disinvited, basically, the kenyan head of state from doing this address to congress. and this is the week after the democrats have saved you, right? and he said it is because there is so much work we need to do. i guess it is the freedom of the refrigerators that we need to focus on, instead of having this joint address to congress. so i dislike mike johnson's politics for so many reasons. i actually voted yes to save him. and it was an accident and i actually meant to vote to kick him out. because i was, like, oh no, i got distracted because something happened would with staff. i was, like, wait a minute, i voted the wrong way. at the end of the day, i do not know that this will age very well. but i will say something people do not remember. we worked different deals.
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if you remember, they tried to censor toledo sheep more than once. there was a deal made it to table the first time they tried to censor her. so there are some things that are a little bit old. obviously, there were some new allegations that came out, and ultimately they did censor rashida. there have been deals that have been worked that, really, the american people have not necessarily seen on display. but i do not think that this is a continual pass. i think this was a one time get out of jail free card. to get anything else out of us, he will have to work really hard. >> let me ask you about a situation you know a lot about, being from texas. mike johnson did come on wednesday, i do not want to give him a pass, which is why i want to talk to you on this. he was discussing his bill to stop noncitizens from voting. let's just be clear, that is not really a thing. but let's listen to what he had to say about it. >> you definitely should be concerned that illegal aliens might be voting in 2024.
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we all know, intuitively, that a lot of illegals are voting in federal elections. but it is not something easily proven. we do not have that number. >> oh, of course. we all know it. we have a vibe, right? that they are all voting. >> and intuition. >> no evidence, but it is thriving to me. i see illegal aliens and i think you are on the way to the polls, aren't you? >> this guy is a lawyer. this guy's lawyer. their whole job is to present evidence and he is saying i have no evidence of it, but in my gut, i feel like it is happening. therefore, we need to make sure we are coming up with additional legislation to be clear for anyone that does not know, it is already illegal. mr. speaker, it is already illegal. so there is nothing to talk about. y'all arrest people for way less all the time. let me tell you. if they found someone who is voting and they are not allowed to vote for whatever reason, we
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know we have seen the prosecution specifically down in texas, we know that crystal mason became the face of, really, this nonsensical incarceration. and while the supreme court's, the texas supreme court finally got something right and said, hey, crystal mason, this was an error, she attempted to vote, she thought she could vote. ultimately, her vote did not count. and now we have the locals that are saying, nevermind, the supreme court got it wrong and we want to undo that ruling. >> here is the problem. donald trump has announced that he wants to pull back on his ground game, which is an expensive thing to do. he wants to focus on messaging on voting and cheating. here is the problem, right? here is a connection. mike johnson is all voting and cheating now because donald trump does not have to win the election. he doesn't have to get more
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votes than joe biden does. but if he comes within any kind of spitting distance, it now will be about cheating, bad voting systems, and all of these illegals who are running to vote. it is their words, not mine. i do not refer to people as illegals when it comes to a document of immigrants. but that is what this is building towards. >> yes. they are setting it up. he set it up last time. he set it up that if i don't win, that means they are teaching. so he saw these sweeping laws that were coming to all of the statehouses because they were, like, donald trump did not win and it was because they treated. instead, what we will do is break the system. we will change the rules, change the laws and make it to where, number 12, either it is more difficult to access the ballot box in the first place, or we would just confuse people to the point that they say, you know what? i do not want to risk going to prison so i just will not participate in the process, which is also another form of voter suppression. of course, do not forget voter subversion, which is what we also have to deal with when we
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are dealing with team trump, because that is exactly what they were trying to do down in georgia. you know what? i did not win, but go find me more votes or just do not count these votes. those are the things we are dealing with. it is why we need legislation. we need the advancement act. we need to make sure that we've got the freedom to vote act. but we don't have the numbers. i want people to pay attention and understand that there is only one team that is fighting for us and our freedoms. and it is a team. it cannot just be joe biden by himself. we need a senate, we need a house, which means democrats in control, and we need to have joe biden back in the white house. >> representative jasmine crockett, always good to have you. thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you. >> the last word is next. for fi
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